One observation: the whole discussion the last 3 weeks or so mostly about Rocky and Alma, not Oracle Linux. The last 3 weeks without a word from Oracle, as if Oracle Linux were not affected. And in the above statement they are reiterating: ââŚattacking AlmaLinux and Rocky LinuxâŚâ. As if OL wasnât a downstream distro from RHEL.
Red Hat and Oracle are partners, officially.
It sounds like Oracle may be starting to plan for a post RHEL world, along with Cloudlinux. Oracle has the engineerâs to put effort into patching and maintaining their own upstream OS independent of RHEL.
Ive been thinking about what a post RHEL âOpen Enterprise Linuxâ OS would look like and while Oracle doesnât have the best reputation, it is a good sign that they are openly committing to open source and fully encouraging downstream distributions.
I found this part interesting ââŚWe chose to be RHEL compatible because we did not want to fragment the Linux communityâŚâ.
It is obvious that Oracle benefits from RHEL, but it is also true that fragmenting the Linux community is not good.
yes, this one I guess
But this affects RHEL on Cloud, there is no word about rebuilding RHEL and OL.
However, if a special agreement regarding OL exists then IMO the Press Release from today would have been the perfect place to let us know.
Thanks for sharing. That Oracle blog post is pure gold. Oracle essentially told IBM, in a nutshell: Weâll be more than happy to take the EL community off your hands and continue to work with them.
IBM already got a black eye from the community for the nonsense they pulled; now, theyâve got a second one from Oracle.
I can empathize to some degree with Mike McGrathâs concerns. However, what about all the people who contribute to GNU/Linux and FOSS in general? Letâs not forget the Fedora volunteers, and everyone else who submits bug reports, fixes, patches, and code.
Now I wonder, with their infinite wisdom, if IBM will have a knee-jerk reaction and shut down CentOS Stream as well. I suppose weâll see.
While the Oracle fellow who posted that is targeting IBM specifically, I feel itâs important to reiterate that IBM had nothing to do with the demise of CentOS Linux nor Red Hatâs decision on making rebuildâs life more difficult. Red Hat is more than capable of causing their own problems and public turmoil without IBMâs assistance. As far as I know, some folks at IBM were actually quite upset when CentOS Linux was sent to an early grave.
In my opinion, the target being on IBM was not only to be snarky, but also on purpose to see if IBM will say or do anything about Red Hatâs decisions.
Oracle just made their response.
That is what everybody was replying to, read several posts up.
I believe that what Red Hat is after is a Debian-style development model. In the long run, that would be the least expensive for them in terms of producing a high quality commercial distro with the least amount of money spent.
Before RHEL 9, Red Hat developed RHEL from what is essentially a bleeding-edge desktop distribution - Fedora. That is Red Hatâs Sid. With CentOS Stream, Red Hat introduced their own Testing version. Obviously, RHEL itself is Stable.
I think thatâs the real motivation behind all of this, not brand dilution because of the clones and other non-sense. People and businesses who couldnât afford Red Hat subscriptions before will not start buying them now. And small businesses that run a handful of instances will probably continue running Rocky Linux/AlmaLinux or join the Developer program to get access to the 16 licenses. Others will move on to Ubuntu and Debian.
hello everyone
the funny thing that oracle try to play the nice guy in this one while it has bad history with google over java and for mysql who their founder create mariadb
and even there was a file system i forget itâs name that linus said he will not bring it into till he get a latter either from oracle owner or the head of the loyal department
hope rocky keep doing the good work
and have a nice day everyone 
ZFS - Thatâs the file system youâre thinking of.
Seriously though, what would you expect from Oracle?
at least to have a single standard despite it good or bad but that million standard in todays world will not bring anything except untrust and everyone will get hit by it
- Corporations love people working for free⌠for them. Oracle would love nothing more than for the community to rally behind them. However, they have to do more than publish a snarky press release. Red Hat would love nothing more than everyone start contributing to CentOS Stream, while they maintain total control of it.
I think that it would be only fair that the other EL projects have a say in how CentOS Stream is developed if theyâre expected to contribute, with Red Hat sharing control of the project. I think thatâs an unlikely scenario. Can you say boxed in?
- Keeping Linux fragmented benefits corporations like IBM, Oracle, and the smaller players like SUSE and Canonical. Each one of them makes their money from selling support contracts. Oracle does more than that, they lease appliances, database servers, etc., to other large corporate entities. Itâs all big business. How are FOSS developers who put in their work for free supposed to cope with that?
i understand your point i was just emphasis that oracle has no right to complain as they do it by themself
unfortunately nothing except sometime they do some support by donate a little to them like supporting their github or something similar
JFI:
Try asking SUSE for the source code for SLE.
Them and Oracle, virtue signaling, finger pointing, and being all righteous, when theyâre so much worse.
Someone shouls tell SUSE the CentOS Stream is available, and theyâre more than welcome to it, just like everyone else.
loool
everyone join the party as long as the party not about themself 
SUSE offers both their openSUSE which is free and a 1:1 binary to SUSE Enterprise. The source code is freely available. They are big supporters of open source, and I like how transparent SUSE is.
Theyâre the 3rd longest running distro development, with only Debian (2nd) and Slackware (1st) being older. And now, in the spirit of open source, SUSE Linux is going to fork Red Hat Linux and aid those who were slapped in the face, left stranded by Red Hat.