# Has Red Hat just killed Rocky Linux? **URL:** \ **Category:** Rocky Linux Help & Support\ **Created:** [June 21, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378 "2023-06-21T18:24:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Cphusion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/cphusion/32/3235_2.png) [@Cphusion](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/Cphusion)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/146 "2023-07-10T15:57:03Z")
> **[Keep Linux Open and Free—We Can’t Afford Not To](https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/keep-linux-open-and-free-2023-07-10/)** > > Oracle underscores its commitment to helping keep Linux open and free for the global Linux community. ---
**Author:** ![anemarkus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/51bf81/32.png) [@anemarkus](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/anemarkus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/147 "2023-07-10T16:50:03Z")
One observation: the whole discussion the last 3 weeks or so mostly about Rocky and Alma, not Oracle Linux. The last 3 weeks without a word from Oracle, as if Oracle Linux were not affected. And in the above statement they are reiterating: “…attacking AlmaLinux and Rocky Linux…”. As if OL wasn’t a downstream distro from RHEL. ---
**Author:** ![jlehtone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9a140/32.png) [@jlehtone](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/jlehtone)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/148 "2023-07-10T18:17:38Z")
Red Hat and Oracle are _partners_, officially. ---
**Author:** ![\_stevesimpson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/6bbea6/32.png) [@\_stevesimpson](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/_stevesimpson)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/149 "2023-07-10T18:18:38Z")
It sounds like Oracle may be starting to plan for a post RHEL world, along with Cloudlinux. Oracle has the engineer’s to put effort into patching and maintaining their own upstream OS independent of RHEL. Ive been thinking about what a post RHEL “Open Enterprise Linux” OS would look like and while Oracle doesn’t have the best reputation, it is a good sign that they are openly committing to open source and fully encouraging downstream distributions. ---
**Author:** ![dwaltz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dfb087/32.png) [@dwaltz](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/dwaltz)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/150 "2023-07-10T20:34:58Z")
I found this part interesting “…We chose to be RHEL compatible because we did not want to fragment the Linux community…”. It is obvious that Oracle benefits from RHEL, but it is also true that fragmenting the Linux community is not good. ---
**Author:** ![anemarkus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/51bf81/32.png) [@anemarkus](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/anemarkus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/151 "2023-07-10T21:49:33Z")
> [@jlehtone](#): > > Red Hat and Oracle are _partners_, officially. yes, this one I guess > **[Red Hat and Oracle Expand Collaboration to Bring Red Hat Enterprise Linux to...](https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/red-hat-and-oracle-expand-collaboration-2023-01-31/)** > > Certified configurations of OCI Compute resources can now run on Red Hat Enterprise Linux, delivering greater customer choice in distributed cloud environments. But this affects RHEL on Cloud, there is no word about rebuilding RHEL and OL. However, if a special agreement regarding OL exists then IMO the Press Release from today would have been the perfect place to let us know. ---
**Author:** ![R007](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/r007/32/3333_2.png) [@R007](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/R007)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/152 "2023-07-10T23:41:57Z")
Thanks for sharing. That Oracle blog post is pure gold. Oracle essentially told IBM, in a nutshell: _We’ll be more than happy to take the EL community off your hands and continue to work with them._ IBM already got a black eye from the community for the nonsense they pulled; now, they’ve got a second one from Oracle. I can empathize to some degree with Mike McGrath’s concerns. However, what about all the people who contribute to GNU/Linux and FOSS in general? Let’s not forget the Fedora volunteers, and everyone else who submits bug reports, fixes, patches, and code. Now I wonder, with their infinite wisdom, if IBM will have a knee-jerk reaction and shut down CentOS Stream as well. I suppose we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![label](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@label](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/label)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/153 "2023-07-11T01:35:41Z")
While the Oracle fellow who posted that is targeting IBM specifically, I feel it’s important to reiterate that IBM had nothing to do with the demise of CentOS Linux nor Red Hat’s decision on making rebuild’s life more difficult. Red Hat is more than capable of causing their own problems and public turmoil without IBM’s assistance. As far as I know, some folks at IBM were actually quite upset when CentOS Linux was sent to an early grave. In my opinion, the target being on IBM was not only to be snarky, but also on purpose to see if IBM will say or do anything about Red Hat’s decisions. ---
**Author:** ![iris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a5b964/32.png) [@iris](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/iris)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/154 "2023-07-11T02:17:43Z")
Oracle just made their [response](https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/keep-linux-open-and-free-2023-07-10/). ---
**Author:** ![Cphusion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/cphusion/32/3235_2.png) [@Cphusion](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/Cphusion)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/155 "2023-07-11T06:07:42Z")
That is what everybody was replying to, read several posts [up](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/146). ---
**Author:** ![R007](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/r007/32/3333_2.png) [@R007](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/R007)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/156 "2023-07-11T12:16:07Z")
I believe that what Red Hat is after is a _Debian-style_ development model. In the long run, that would be the least expensive for them in terms of producing a high quality commercial distro with the least amount of money spent. Before RHEL 9, Red Hat developed RHEL from what is essentially a bleeding-edge desktop distribution - Fedora. That is Red Hat’s _Sid_. With CentOS Stream, Red Hat introduced their own _Testing_ version. Obviously, RHEL itself is _Stable_. I think that’s the real motivation behind all of this, not _brand dilution_ because of the clones and other non-sense. People and businesses who couldn’t afford Red Hat subscriptions before will not start buying them now. And small businesses that run a handful of instances will probably continue running Rocky Linux/AlmaLinux or join the Developer program to get access to the 16 licenses. Others will move on to Ubuntu and Debian. ---
**Author:** ![JustSomeone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7ea924/32.png) [@JustSomeone](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/JustSomeone)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/157 "2023-07-11T12:55:04Z")
hello everyone > [@iris](#): > > Oracle just made their [response](https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/keep-linux-open-and-free-2023-07-10/). the funny thing that oracle try to play the nice guy in this one while it has bad history with google over java and for mysql who their founder create mariadb and even there was a file system i forget it’s name that linus said he will not bring it into till he get a latter either from oracle owner or the head of the loyal department hope rocky keep doing the good work and have a nice day everyone 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![R007](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/r007/32/3333_2.png) [@R007](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/R007)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/158 "2023-07-11T13:04:07Z")
ZFS - That’s the file system you’re thinking of. Seriously though, what would you expect from Oracle? ---
**Author:** ![JustSomeone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7ea924/32.png) [@JustSomeone](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/JustSomeone)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/159 "2023-07-11T13:24:35Z")
> [@R007](#): > > Seriously though, what would you expect from Oracle? at least to have a single standard despite it good or bad but that million standard in todays world will not bring anything except untrust and everyone will get hit by it ---
**Author:** ![R007](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/r007/32/3333_2.png) [@R007](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/R007)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/160 "2023-07-11T13:46:39Z")
1. Corporations **love** people working for free… for them. Oracle would love nothing more than for the community to rally behind them. However, they have to do more than publish a snarky press release. Red Hat would love nothing more than everyone start contributing to CentOS Stream, while they maintain total control of it. I think that it would be only fair that the other EL projects have a say in how CentOS Stream is developed if they’re expected to contribute, with Red Hat sharing control of the project. I think that’s an unlikely scenario. Can you say _boxed in_? 1. Keeping Linux fragmented benefits corporations like IBM, Oracle, and the smaller players like SUSE and Canonical. Each one of them makes their money from selling support contracts. Oracle does more than that, they lease appliances, database servers, etc., to other large corporate entities. It’s all big business. How are FOSS developers who put in their work for free supposed to cope with that? ---
**Author:** ![JustSomeone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7ea924/32.png) [@JustSomeone](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/JustSomeone)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/161 "2023-07-11T14:21:49Z")
i understand your point i was just emphasis that oracle has no right to complain as they do it by themself > [@R007](#): > > How are FOSS developers who put in their work for free supposed to cope with that? unfortunately nothing except sometime they do some support by donate a little to them like supporting their github or something similar ---
**Author:** ![Ritov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Ritov](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/Ritov)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/162 "2023-07-11T14:39:06Z")
JFI: > **[SUSE Preserves Choice in Enterprise Linux by Forking RHEL with a $10+ Million...](https://www.suse.com/news/SUSE-Preserves-Choice-in-Enterprise-Linux/)** > > Investment reinforces SUSE’s commitment to innovate and support SUSE Linux Enterprise distributions and related open source projects  > SUSE plans to contribute its code to an open source foundation ---
**Author:** ![R007](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/r007/32/3333_2.png) [@R007](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/R007)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/163 "2023-07-11T14:45:54Z")
Try asking SUSE for the source code for SLE. Them and Oracle, virtue signaling, finger pointing, and being all righteous, when they’re so much worse. Someone shouls tell SUSE the CentOS Stream is available, and they’re more than welcome to it, just like everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![JustSomeone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7ea924/32.png) [@JustSomeone](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/JustSomeone)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/164 "2023-07-11T14:51:19Z")
loool everyone join the party as long as the party not about themself 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Linux-Is-Best](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/linux-is-best/32/3331_2.png) [@Linux-Is-Best](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/Linux-Is-Best)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/165 "2023-07-11T14:52:16Z")
SUSE offers both their openSUSE which is free and a 1:1 binary to SUSE Enterprise. The source code is freely available. They are big supporters of open source, and I like how transparent SUSE is. They’re the 3rd longest running distro development, with only Debian (2nd) and Slackware (1st) being older. And now, in the spirit of open source, SUSE Linux is going to fork Red Hat Linux and aid those who were slapped in the face, left stranded by Red Hat. [Previous page](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378.md?page=9)