# Has Red Hat just killed Rocky Linux? **URL:** \ **Category:** Rocky Linux Help & Support\ **Created:** [June 21, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378 "2023-06-21T18:24:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mdelfava](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/mdelfava/32/2467_2.png) [@mdelfava](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/mdelfava)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/21 "2023-06-22T20:52:52Z")
My 2 cents – and you can keep the change: I agree with ‘ioplex’ that IBM/RH does have a right to do whatever they want with their commercial product - that said, I also think IBM/RH may be experiencing some financial challenges as it has been reported that growth at Red Hat the first quarter of this year was the smallest increase since IBM acquired Red Hat in 2019. IBM/RH also laid-off roughly 700 employees in April. I think that this was good cover to justify a move that IBM has probably been considering since it acquired Red Hat. It also brings to mind a situation nearly 20 years ago that lead to a series of legal disputes between SCO Group and Linux vendors and users which ultimately lead to the demise of SCO I think it’s too early to declare that the sky is falling, the Linux community is very resilient. And yes, it very possible that something better than RHEL may come from all of this. ---
**Author:** ![girder\_processor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@girder\_processor](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/girder_processor)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/22 "2023-06-22T21:38:58Z")
Sounding positive… > **[Rocky Linux Expresses Confidence Despite Red Hat's Announcement | Rocky Linux](https://rockylinux.org/news/2023-06-22-press-release/)** > > Rocky Linux is an open enterprise Operating System designed to be 100% bug-for-bug compatible with Enterprise Linux. ---
**Author:** ![mdelfava](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/mdelfava/32/2467_2.png) [@mdelfava](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/mdelfava)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/23 "2023-06-22T21:40:37Z")
[https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream](https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream) ---
**Author:** ![smart](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/smart/32/3145_2.png) [@smart](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/smart)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/24 "2023-06-22T21:55:32Z")
Free software meant computer use freedom. Linux is just the kernel powering your rocky linux distribution. In case you’re still interested to defend your rights to share and modify software freely, one must stay away from GPL version 2 and use GPL-3 licensed (aka copyleft) softwares whenever possible. Cheers, smart ---
**Author:** ![stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@stone](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/stone)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/26 "2023-06-22T22:09:04Z")
This will shrink their ecosystem and user base. Stupid move, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![carofe82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bc8723/32.png) [@carofe82](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/carofe82)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/27 "2023-06-23T00:32:50Z")
I think this can provide some clarification: [Re: What is Fedora? - devel - Fedora Mailing-Lists](https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/XM6BNUHKI3EKTDEXAAVE3JBPCG3BPUJC/) ---
**Author:** ![carofe82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bc8723/32.png) [@carofe82](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/carofe82)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/28 "2023-06-23T01:02:03Z")
So, for what I can understand between that link, and this one: [Introducing CentOS Stream 9 – Blog.CentOS.org](https://blog.centos.org/2021/12/introducing-centos-stream-9/), is that the RHEL distro has an additional important step of doing human QA on the packages before including it in the RHEL distro. The automated testing happens for both: RHEL and CentOS Stream. So, in theory, a community enterprise linux distro could build from CentOS Stream and improve the testing, and do the additional human QA tasks, and create a distro very similar to RHEL. The part that would be harder is the additional 5 years of security patches making the 10 years cycle. However, it wouldn’t be different than Ubuntu LTS (free), or Debian, with a 5 years cycle. ---
**Author:** ![TheWitness](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/thewitness/32/2332_2.png) [@TheWitness](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/TheWitness)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/29 "2023-06-23T01:20:40Z")
All, As a developer of Open Source Software for over 20 years and captain of [cacti.net](http://cacti.net), I’m more inclined to believe that RedHat has not only committed suicide, but killed Fedora as well. I’m as much mad as I am sad, but this is life when pressures from the machine drive execs in unnatural ways. Remember “don’t be evil”? Rocky haas a great name and a great team. They just need a little cash so they can hire key resources and take over the mantle and OWNERSHIP of the RHEL framework. So, support them if you can. TheWitness ---
**Author:** ![TheWitness](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/thewitness/32/2332_2.png) [@TheWitness](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/TheWitness)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/30 "2023-06-23T01:27:12Z")
You don’t need very many RHEL key techs to take ownership of what RHEL WAS. Expect Rocky to break RHEL… Free and Open. ---
**Author:** ![TheWitness](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/thewitness/32/2332_2.png) [@TheWitness](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/TheWitness)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 1:30am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/31 "2023-06-23T01:30:45Z")
They have already begun this. Can you say GLUSTER? I talked to the key Architects and Product Management in a private meeting and was appalled at what I heard. Sad for them, but there is always hope. ---
**Author:** ![Ritov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Ritov](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/Ritov)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/32 "2023-06-23T16:50:56Z")
> … is licensed under the GPL, which grants redistribution rights to all such licensed source code. [https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2023-June/142991.html](https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2023-June/142991.html) ---
**Author:** ![tht](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/tht/32/2417_2.png) [@tht](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/tht)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/34 "2023-06-23T17:35:43Z")
What’s Linus Torvalds take on this? ---
**Author:** ![Ritov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Ritov](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/Ritov)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/35 "2023-06-23T20:31:59Z")
Just to bring a smile to this absurd topic ```auto $ cat /usr/share/doc/redhat-release/GPL-source-offer The accompanying Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9.2 release includes copyrighted software that is licensed under the GNU General Public License and other licenses. You may obtain the complete machine-readable source code corresponding to portions of this release by sending a check or money order in the amount of US $5.00 to: VP, Legal - Products & Technologies Red Hat, Inc. 100 East Davie Street Raleigh, NC 27601 USA Please write "source for RHEL 9.2" in the memo line of your payment. This offer is valid to anyone in receipt of this information and shall expire three years following the date of the final distribution of this release by Red Hat, Inc. ``` ---
**Author:** ![q5sys](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/q5sys/32/1889_2.png) [@q5sys](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/q5sys)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/36 "2023-06-23T22:27:06Z")
LET’S GOOOO!!! ![IMG_20230623_175719471](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/rockylinux/original/2X/8/8de52ac3e43175c2a360ea65789a3503cb63970b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![sparesimian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/46a35a/32.png) [@sparesimian](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/sparesimian)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/37 "2023-06-23T22:59:59Z")
When I’ve found a problem with a CentOS package, I’d figure out a patch and post it to RH Bugzilla. (I’d post it to the CentOS tracker only if it was a website or CentOS re-packaging issue.) What’s my incentive now to share them to RH? ---
**Author:** ![geerlingguy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/geerlingguy/32/80_2.png) [@geerlingguy](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/geerlingguy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/38 "2023-06-24T02:24:01Z")
I believe ServeTheHome speculated this is a preemptive move to lock in a few more contracts before a potential license cost increase. Short term profits to show the big three-letter bosses Red Hat was worth the billions, but long term loss as RH bleeds much of the talent that made them worth the billions. ---
**Author:** ![Cphusion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/cphusion/32/3235_2.png) [@Cphusion](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/Cphusion)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/39 "2023-06-24T06:52:19Z")
Aren’t there a number of software packages used in RHEL that don’t fall under GPL but under a difference license such as BSD or MIT, for those packages(ie: Xorg Server) Redhat wouldn’t be required to share the sources? ---
**Author:** ![Jil](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/jil/32/1089_2.png) [@Jil](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/Jil)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/40 "2023-06-24T15:40:32Z")
This is great news because Gregory will definitely be more innovative. Am a die hard fan of Rocky Linux, but this will mark a new beginning. I choose positivity vibes. ---
**Author:** ![microlinux](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/microlinux/32/1244_2.png) [@microlinux](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/microlinux)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/41 "2023-06-24T15:58:43Z")
> [@Cphusion](#): > > Aren’t there a number of software packages used in RHEL that don’t fall under GPL but under a difference license such as BSD or MIT, for those packages(ie: Xorg Server) Redhat wouldn’t be required to share the sources? This is the main difference between the BSD and the GPL license, though it’s the other way around. - With the GPL license you can modify the sources as long as you publish them under the same conditions. - With the BSD license you can do what you want, including cannibalizing the code without republishing the sources. ---
**Author:** ![Jil](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/jil/32/1089_2.png) [@Jil](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/Jil)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/42 "2023-06-24T16:04:28Z")
Time to edit this sadly. [Rocky Linux](https://rockylinux.org/) is an enterprise Linux distribution based on the sources available from Red Hat, Inc. used for Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Rocky Linux intends to be binary compatible with the upstream vendor. Source code will be in our [Git](https://git.rockylinux.org). [Previous page](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378.md?page=3)