# Has Red Hat just killed Rocky Linux? **URL:** \ **Category:** Rocky Linux Help & Support\ **Created:** [June 21, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378 "2023-06-21T18:24:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![microlinux](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/microlinux/32/1244_2.png) [@microlinux](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/microlinux)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/1 "2023-06-21T18:24:46Z")
Hi, I just stumbled over this : [https://www.phoronix.com/news/Red-Hat-CentOS-Stream-Sources](https://www.phoronix.com/news/Red-Hat-CentOS-Stream-Sources) Is this the end of Rocky Linux as we know it ? ---
**Author:** ![neil](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/neil/32/34_2.png) [@neil](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/neil)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/2 "2023-06-21T18:27:09Z")
rumors of Rocky Linux’s death have been greatly exaggerated 😉 We’re aware of the situation, we’re working on short term solutions as we investigate what this means. Rest assured this is not the “death” of Rocky. I have been collecting our notes from some various meetings and conversations here: [https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/r.24fab14385c0aa2db6fa7340a8b2aae7](https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/r.24fab14385c0aa2db6fa7340a8b2aae7) ---
**Author:** ![burkettlabs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/burkettlabs/32/3256_2.png) [@burkettlabs](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/burkettlabs)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/3 "2023-06-21T21:22:00Z")
Being from Montana the comment about buying a farm in Montana made me chuckle: > - Buy a farm in Nebraska or Montana. Raise cattle > > - Stack suggests goats instead, as they may be easier (plus milk, cheese, gyro’s, and they will eat poison ivy!) ---
**Author:** ![sparesimian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/46a35a/32.png) [@sparesimian](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/sparesimian)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/4 "2023-06-22T00:59:15Z")
Another story about this: > **[Red Hat Takes Aim at Rocky Linux & AlmaLinux, Restricts RHEL Code Access](https://www.webpronews.com/red-hat-takes-aim-at-rocky-linux-almalinux-restricts-rhel-code-access/)** > > Red Hat appears to be taking aim at two popular Linux distros that are community alternatives to Red Hat Enterprise Linux. ---
**Author:** ![synack2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/synack2/32/1349_2.png) [@synack2](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/synack2)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/5 "2023-06-22T02:08:36Z")
Makes me glad I never paid for real RedHat. _edited by moderator_ ---
**Author:** ![microlinux](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/microlinux/32/1244_2.png) [@microlinux](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/microlinux)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 4:48am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/6 "2023-06-22T04:48:55Z")
I don’t know about the details, but this sounds very much like some IBM executive wanting to “do open source” without actually granting access to said source. At some point the FSF will gonna raise an eyebrow and gently but firmly slap some wrists. ---
**Author:** ![jasonyangshadow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/jasonyangshadow/32/2935_2.png) [@jasonyangshadow](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/jasonyangshadow)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/7 "2023-06-22T05:47:30Z")
guess it’ll be fine, and buying a license and being a customer is also acceptable for all communtiies? I am curious about the motivation behind this move, targeting at setting obstacles for other distros, but why? ---
**Author:** ![Cphusion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/cphusion/32/3235_2.png) [@Cphusion](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/Cphusion)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/8 "2023-06-22T09:10:45Z")
This doesn’t sound good for the future of RHEL clones! ---
**Author:** ![AdityaMalviya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@AdityaMalviya](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/AdityaMalviya)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/9 "2023-06-22T09:56:34Z")
Thanks for the reply… So this means going forward, Rocky Linux would not be 1:1 bug compatible. Would it become like CentOS stream as Upstream to RHEL ? ---
**Author:** ![Ritov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Ritov](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/Ritov)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/10 "2023-06-22T11:05:23Z")
> It is in effect now for RHEL 8 and 9 and will continue for any future > RHEL releases. [1] [1] [[CentOS-devel] Furthering the evolution of CentOS Stream](https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2023-June/142981.html) ---
**Author:** ![pseud](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/pseud/32/1323_2.png) [@pseud](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/pseud)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/11 "2023-06-22T13:53:33Z")
Hmm, I was going to ask - is it legal… Might be time to test the GPL (but, which one…) I mean, if something were to escape into the wild, could it be caught? ---
**Author:** ![ioplex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e9a140/32.png) [@ioplex](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/ioplex)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/12 "2023-06-22T14:57:53Z")
At the risk of being flamed into oblivion, RH does have a right to do whatever they want with their commercial product. Yes, they do have an obligation under the GPL to make the corresponding source available to anyone who downloads. But, no doubt there are many components that are original works which they could choose to exclude from the larger community. So this behavior is just “writing on the wall”. IBM has made a significant investment and they intend to seek a return. And honestly, I don’t think it’s fair to browbeat them too much about it. They’re a business. They have employees who have expenses and kids who need college tuition. The worlds economy is increasingly dependent on copyright law - movies, clothing, software and content providers on facetube or whatev, … If entities cannot enforce ownership of their works, all of these things would be homogeneous and boring. These sorts of events actually spawn new and potentially much better solutions. Recall how Linux used to use BitKeeper until someone tried to reverse engineer it, triggering a kerfuffle and then what came out of it? … git Honestly, I would not at all be surprised if something better than RHEL came out of all of this. ---
**Author:** ![beszan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f17d59/32.png) [@beszan](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/beszan)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/13 "2023-06-22T14:59:45Z")
this is a low move and waiting for Rocky to see if they can still get the source roms now ---
**Author:** ![Ritov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Ritov](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/Ritov)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/14 "2023-06-22T15:46:23Z")
First response from AL Community: > **[AlmaLinux OS - Forever-Free Enterprise-Grade Operating System](https://almalinux.org/blog/impact-of-rhel-changes/)** > > An Open Source, community owned and governed, forever-free enterprise Linux distribution. ---
**Author:** ![microlinux](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/microlinux/32/1244_2.png) [@microlinux](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/microlinux)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/15 "2023-06-22T16:06:20Z")
[https://twitter.com/microlinux\_eu/status/1671910441335881731](https://twitter.com/microlinux_eu/status/1671910441335881731) ---
**Author:** ![jlehtone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9a140/32.png) [@jlehtone](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/jlehtone)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/16 "2023-06-22T16:12:02Z")
One of the downstream distros is Oracle Linux. Am I correct that _Oracle_ knows something about money? ---
**Author:** ![microlinux](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/microlinux/32/1244_2.png) [@microlinux](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/microlinux)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/17 "2023-06-22T16:14:05Z")
> [@ioplex](#): > > Honestly, I would not at all be surprised if something better than RHEL came out of all of this. At that point I wonder if the best move wouldn’t be to support the [Debian LTS project](https://wiki.debian.org/LTS). I’ve been 100 % GNU/Linux since 2001, and in two decades this is the third time Red Hat is pulling the rug from under our feet. - Red Hat Linux back in 2003 - CentOS back in 2020 - Now this Guess it’s time to move to Debian. I’m getting sick of this nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Tburow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/tburow/32/3485_2.png) [@Tburow](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/Tburow)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/18 "2023-06-22T16:46:07Z")
Amazon likely saw the writing on the wall with their AL2023 release [based on a hybrid of Fedora](https://docs.aws.amazon.com/linux/al2023/ug/relationship-to-fedora.html) versions. Maybe a suggestion here should be the same, change the basis for Rocky to Fedora upstream instead of RHEL. This move is typical IBM business practice and quite honestly I’m not surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Tburow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forums.rockylinux.org/tburow/32/3485_2.png) [@Tburow](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/Tburow)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/19 "2023-06-22T16:51:53Z")
While i dont disagree with the general point, they have that right - RedHat has long been a sponsor of opensource development. This kind of move is a slap in the face to the entire Linux community. Other possible fallout - Redhat retires all opensource support and project sponsorship… OR the Linux community retaliates by refusing to support their sponsored projects. in any case - this seems like a brash move. Only time will tell what the breadth of the fallout will be ---
**Author:** ![audi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5ac83/32.png) [@audi](https://forums.rockylinux.org/u/audi)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378/20 "2023-06-22T17:24:10Z")
yeah it made me chuckle to. But in Indonesia we usel eel instead goat [Next page](https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/has-red-hat-just-killed-rocky-linux/10378.md?page=2)